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    • PisarzP
      Pisarz @Byrgius
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      @Byrgius
      Well, the "carrier" was meant to be also a standalone unit. Brainstorming is very useful. Those drawings have a cargo container because I was thinking about the aerial unit only and needed to put something under it. When I publish the concepts I will include explanations, etc. But don't worry, I understood your idea (I didn't want the Gestalt units to resemble transformers or other existing designs).

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      • bilalB
        bilal @Pisarz
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        @Pisarz
        It will be a gorilla launcher. We'll call it Monkeybars. (lol)

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        • PisarzP
          Pisarz @bilal
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          @bilal

          Yeah, after doing these I realized that I could simply put a gorilla with its own nice transport. That's why I discarded them for the Assembling Machines project.

          About Monkeybars, monkeybars... (sorry, I'm sometimes VERY slow for jokes). You are either referring to those cool games for kids that can be found in public spaces, or to something else.
          To compensate that, I'll simply put this :)

          monkey-pulls-dog-tail.gif

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          • bilalB
            bilal @Pisarz
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            @Pisarz
            These!
            OutdoorMonkeyBars_1.jpg5fc1892b-05fa-4366-8e19-10b7def21592Original.jpg

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            • PisarzP
              Pisarz @bilal
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              @bilal
              Yes! Haha! :)

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              • AvionArisA
                AvionAris
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                A machine launching a Gorilla throwing a Scout.
                Uhm, I don't know what to say here, so I'll just... well:

                yay.gorilla

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                • PisarzP
                  Pisarz
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                  Hi everyone. I won't be as available as before for some time, so I won't be uploading as much stuff as usual. But don't worry, I'll be around!

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                  • PisarzP
                    Pisarz
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                    My proposal for the Assembling Machines' thread is finished! The concept will be developed even further after the game is finished. For now, you won't see much about this unitl I improve my drawing skills haha.


                    http://wiredforwar.org/topic/62/assembling-machines


                    mchns.jpg
                    CERBERUS.jpg is

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                    • PisarzP
                      Pisarz
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                      Just for fun =)

                      my machines.jpg

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                      • PisarzP
                        Pisarz
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                        I managed to make my first animated gif using Photoshop! I drew every frame (because I can't import any) and this was the result:

                        worm.gif

                        This could be useful for designing animations for the units in O.M.

                        One small step for a worm, one giant leap for MACHINES hahaha

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                        • ByrgiusB
                          Byrgius @Pisarz
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                          @Pisarz Photoshop isn't meant for more complex animations believe me, you'll have a lot of trouble with it doing such concept animations. I recommend using Adobe Flash instead, you can export in .gif too I think, otherwise you could just upload an .avi on Youtube :)

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                          • PisarzP
                            Pisarz @Byrgius
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                            @Byrgius
                            Thank you!
                            Do you mean this?
                            Yet, Photoshop has other features as well, which is quite useful for doing things like this without pen and paper!
                            animaction gif.gif
                            (According to the research that I did, these drawings were made either by Jin Kim or Glen Keane. It is a pencil animation test for Disney's Tangled.)

                            I'll keep on searching then, because apparently flash is becoming obsolete, (this is another article as well).

                            Storyboards are something that I also want to develop. Maybe I could combine these and other techniques (and software)!

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                            • PisarzP
                              Pisarz
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                              @Byrgius
                              Umm... yeah, I think I now actually understand what you meant. Each time I work on a frame, the previous frames change according to the frame being created/modified. Yet, it seems that there is a way to use this disadvantage in my favour! To overcome this, I need to be VERY organized. Of course, as you said, I cannot make complex animations with this but it is nice to see that certain ideas can be shown easily (well, I can, but they need to be brief). This could be used for storyboards if done well... I need a system! (Or, again, another software.)

                              So far, I developed the following procedure:

                              • Simple line drawings need to be done first to ensure that movements flow naturally.
                              • After drawing each frame, start again, drawing each frame with details based on reference points from the first stage.
                              • Finally, verify that frames are in the right order and that the timing is correct.

                              These 3 steps, if done carefully, should enable me (or anyone else) to do animation tests like the one above.

                              I'll experiment with it and upload the results!


                              @Byrgius
                              @bilal
                              Also, I wanted to share this video. I think it is quite interesting =)
                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZJLtujW6FY

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                              • PisarzP
                                Pisarz
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                                First test:
                                reaper_test_1.gif

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                                • bilalB
                                  bilal @Pisarz
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                                  @Pisarz
                                  The main reason why flash player is becoming obsolete is because HTML 5 can actually run on your browser without crashing or having a horrible framerate (Shots fired).

                                  However, I don't really know any other 2D animation programs than flash, but there is always the option to convert from flash to a video, then run the video in HTML 5 on a website. Plus I think adobe is working on an exporter to HTML 5 from flash. So it's more of flash player that's becoming obsolete rather than the editor.

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                                  • PisarzP
                                    Pisarz
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                                    @bilal
                                    @Byrgius
                                    I kept on researching about the subject and found very interesting things. I'll do some attempts with Photoshop and then see what I can do. Yet, I want to use the software that I already have, and for that I have to learn how to use them, and for that I have to practice, and for that I need time, and...
                                    tumblr_inline_nklajakrOV1rf8so2.gif
                                    Challenge accepted!

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                                    • ByrgiusB
                                      Byrgius @Pisarz
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                                      @Pisarz Yes that's the one. Even though it's becoming obsolete you can export the file to movie format or .gif. It's still a good tool to make animations and one good thing for example is that you see a previous frame with transparency on current frame so you can easily draw over. The flash format is only meant for (obsolete) flash players which is uncompressed and all in vector graphics while other exports result in compression and pixelization - still the compression is not noticable by human eye.

                                      I can tell you first hand because I'm working with Photoshop animations daily and there are A LOT of things that make the job frustrating. The concept animations you have in mind I think are even more complex though.

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                                      • PisarzP
                                        Pisarz @Byrgius
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                                        @Byrgius

                                        "...one good thing for example is that you see a previous frame with transparency on current frame so you can easily draw over..."

                                        So, you mean this?

                                        o_s_.jpg

                                        Problem solved!

                                        =)


                                        Can something like this be done with Photoshop? Although I guess that After Effects would be a better option.

                                        asteroid.gif

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                                        • ByrgiusB
                                          Byrgius
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                                          The "draw over previous frame" is way better in flash. In photoshop for example if you have done like 50 frames and you want to change something in between you have to change it in every frame seperately - this is to my view a huge downfall. I assume you'd want to change a lot of things while doing the animation or maybe you'll miss something, that way you'll have this problem constantly.

                                          For the gif you posted: yes but only if you have frames rendered already. The frames were exported from some 3D software like Maya or Blender and then put together as gif. Although I must warn you .gif only supports 256 colors so it's really hard to make it look good. There are ways to make it look better taken out of video format, but it will still be only 256 colors once in gif. I'd recommend exporing as something like .avi or .mp4 if you want to make animations like above.

                                          Example of gif from motion picture format:
                                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaXnYRlAtks

                                          GIF explained:
                                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIF

                                          There's another way to get around in having more than 256 colors in gif but I haven't tried it out, ever. Theoretically you could divide your (unprocessed) frame sequence into several squares and add 256 colors to each of them. So it would take as many colors in each section as possible (if there's not more than 256 then the algorithm would compress), and if you sum all together you could get around 2000.

                                          I haven't tried this tehniqe though for at least two reasons: I haven't found a decent software to do so; it would't take seconds to download the gif but minutes. GIFs can take a long time to download even in 256 colors (up to 5mb) but we're talking easily of 10Mb+ here, so it's actually like preloading a short video before watching it.

                                          My conclusion is that gif is an outdated format which should better be left alone. You could do much better with simple video format.

                                          Also here's my first Maya animation I did few years back and it was all exported as still images (frames) and rendered with Sony Vegas:
                                          https://youtu.be/ZRaXzUmC-Hk

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                                          • PisarzP
                                            Pisarz @Byrgius
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                                            @Byrgius

                                            Thanks!

                                            "...you have to change it in every frame..."

                                            Yes, my system was meant to overcome this, but it is quite hard when the amount of layers increases.

                                            The following video portrays some of the things that I wanted to do:

                                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgylViCFHAs

                                            Also, your trailer is awesome!

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