IMPORTING with the exported models - Experimentation

[JRL101]

So im trying to put these old models to use, so far its weird.
I've imported it, auto attached the texture, and i get a messy ball of mesh and some messed up UV's
I assume its because of age.
As you can see i've pulled the part apart.
The bottom left two meshes have open sides from the ones we are viewing. everything else seems intact, the triangles at top right have transparent backs of coarse, because they're one sided planes.

Somehow the tracks look fine, but the rest of the UV is a mess.
I assume just like the model the UV's have been stacked too.

Here's my question. Is there a cheat sheet for referencing the model name with its actual actor name?
Because i have no idea what this is mean tot look like.
The only info i have is the folder i found it in and the file name.
agk3b11.obj
\models\aggresso\knight\level3
No idea what the level3 means, I know there was a unit called "the knight"

[JRL101]

Okay so i used an FBX translator on the obj file.
It grabbed the meshes correctly and fix identifying the separate parts.
It even looks like it textured them correctly.
Again the UV's are messed up but everything seems to be organised better.

Is this a two headed commander?
As you can see there now two sets of tracks The grey thin which i assume connects the tracks to the body, the chunky body, and two heads. i think..?
The textures on everything except the grey stuff looks wrong. I dont mean stretched (which they are) i mean they look orientated wrong.

Without a game reference i cant tell what its grabbing.

[JRL101]

NOPE!
Unless theres also a scale issue with the "head"

The inner faces have a texture problem I think due to the messed up UV's as you can see completely transparent.

Tried installing the game to get references, but everything i've tried ends in it crashing on the menu, with no error info.
I cant be bother with an emulator, so can i request screenshots of all the units and buildings from anyone? since google brings up nothing. = .=

[JRL101]

I think i almost figured out whats wrong.
The UV's are either upsidedown or rotated 90 degrees.
I rotated flipped and resized different bits of UV without re-unwrapping (yet)
to see exactly what should go where.

Say hello to Agk3b11

Having problems finding "knight" and what it looked like, I noticed this image had a bot with similar shapes.

So i assembled him in the same way, and walla!
This could possibly be used for a low level LOD. but in retrospect i might as well make a new one from scratch.
The original shapes are kind of blegh! The cartoon style reference you see above gives me ideas though.

[JRL101]

This might help. but no idea. Its more than i have.

[M123]

I remember reading (a long time ago, probably in the old forum ) that weapons are stored as separate models from the individual units.

Not sure if the "level3" is a reference to some in-game research or to the model LOD level.

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That unit is called a Knight in some places (unit selection), in others it's called an Enforcer (build menu, unit mouse-over) ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

There are two variants:

Enforcer - with Bolters Cannons:
Front | Side | Rear | Top

Enforcer - with Plasma Cannons:
Front | Side | Rear | Top

Textures are often shared between multiple units - you probably noticed a large portion of the kface1_b texture (the 3 white dots, most of the right half) isn't used on the Enforcer in the above screenshots - but it is used on the hovering Knight variants: screenshot

[JRL101]

@M123 Ahh so does it share textures between units?

EDIT: Crap so it was correct, the head must be stored separate too. that's so weird. that also makes sense why some of the other files didn't have wheels. and i was wondering why the textures were a-symmetrical from the images.
shared textures, unless its the same thing, are never good. instead of loading only the data the game needs it loads the entire file for all things, potentially wasting memory. it makes installation size smaller but that's the only reason to do it.

THOSE IMAGES ARE PERFECT!!
Now i need them for all unit/buildings. lol
If I have screenshots i only really need one model for scaling. Unless someone has measurements for all the different units/buildings? (pffft thats a dream)

[JRL101]

@M123 Could i request a top view too?

[JRL101]

Okay now with new information i can see im missing parts all over the shop.

• 1. Gun parts
• 2. These textures were wrong
• 3. Antenna missing
• 4. Head is missing
• 5. Connecting shape for gun mount to body
• 6. Wist separator

I don't actually need these parts for what i want to do, but its curious they're in separate files.

The textures have actually bee applied correctly. I suspect the legs are grey with a player colour to make them red.
As when i try to render it the whole model is tinted red. No idea where its storing that change though. Another thing that doesnt really matter since i only need them for scale.

[M123]

@JRL101 said:

@M123 Could i request a top view too?

Added to the post with the others (as close to a top view as I can get with the in-game camera).

shared textures, unless its the same thing, are never good. instead of loading only the data the game needs it loads the entire file for all things, potentially wasting memory. it makes installation size smaller but that's the only reason to do it.

Seems like the game does a bit of both - sometimes a single texture file is shared between multiple units / objects, sometimes there are duplicate files.
Have a look in the \models\planet\ folder and do a search for "sand_b" o_O

The textures have actually bee applied correctly. I suspect the legs are grey with a player colour to make them red.

Yeah - I forgot to mention that before, sorry.
I noticed that when I was putting together that pack of textures - the lower third of the top-right portion of this texture is tinted the team colour when it is applied to the tracks of a Dozer Constructor. I think the tint completely replaces existing colours in the texture - for the red team, the blue/green wires become red with no trace of magenta/yellow.

THOSE IMAGES ARE PERFECT!!
Now i need them for all unit/buildings. lol

That could take a while :P
Hopefully some others can pitch in and/or you can get the game running somehow.

[JRL101]

@M123 said:

Added to the post with the others (as close to a top view as I can get with the in-game camera).

Sweet!

Seems like the game does a bit of both - sometimes a single texture file is shared between multiple units / objects, sometimes there are duplicate files.
Have a look in the \models\planet\ folder and do a search for "sand_b" o_O

lol oh yea.

Yeah - I forgot to mention that before, sorry.
I noticed that when I was putting together that pack of textures - the lower third of the top-right portion of this texture is tinted the team colour when it is applied to the tracks of a Dozer Constructor. I think the tint completely replaces existing colours in the texture - for the red team, the blue/green wires become red with no trace of magenta/yellow.

That will obviously not matter after i make new ones, with unreal you can specify what areas can be coloured with a map. so no worries there. I just cant figure out how the obj file has that embedded.

That could take a while :P
Hopefully some others can pitch in and/or you can get the game running somehow.

No problems not like its gonna take me a day to do every single one. I might be able to do one a day if i just do that one all day. but that would just be modeling. no textures or rig or animations.

Maybe screenshot one each day or two week?
Im gonna try keep this at a leisurely pace. this is meant to be enjoyable, not work. ^ u^
I'll mention if i get it working. But without even know why it crashes i doubt i will.

[bilal]

Amazing work. I'm very busy for the next month, but I will continue working on the game again after what I'm doing.

If you finish even one model that would be great.

Yeah my guess is that they're in separate files because they were programmatically attached, which is pretty weird.

Nonetheless, glad to see you were actually able to grab the textures and map them to the models.

Good luck.

[JRL101]

SNEAK PEAK!
Working from the images i was supplied I decided to try and improvise a version of the enforcer.
I tried to keep some of the hard lines so it still looked similar. Dont know what the weird grey lines are on the tracks and gun barrels, i think i put them on for a render and now i dont remember where they are.

Im trying to keep him as flat as possible for now, so i can go crazy with a high res version for the Normals.
Here's what it looks like working on it.

[JRL101]

@bilal I used an "Autodesk FBX converter" to translate the OBJ files to FBX, the import was easier after that.

[Pisarz]

@JRL101
This is amazing! Great work!

[JRL101]

@Pisarz Thankyou! ^ u^ feel free to assist me with some screenshots for other units/buildings. I have an idea for a simple enemy thats sorta not robots. If anyones still working on this.

[Pisarz]

@JRL101 said:

"[F]eel free to assist me with some screenshots for other units/buildings.[...] If anyones still working on this."

Sure!

We are all doing what we can (when we can) haha